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a girl who knew how to be happy even when sad ([personal profile] majorshipper) wrote2012-03-22 12:20 am

The perception of shipping

*For the purpose of this discussion, someone who enjoys any kind of relationship, het, slash, OT3, OT4, whatever, is a shipper, since shipping comes from (relation)shipping, a non-gender-defined term
Also, for this discussion, we'll ignore my reasons/motivation for slashing vs het shipping

So, I was thinking earlier about how people define shipping or pairings you ship. Namely, how do you define what you ship? The context I started considering it was when I was considering Sam/Dean and Dean/Cas. I was reading Sam/Dean fic, which isn't OOC for me at all. I read S/D slash, I'll notice/comment on particularly slashy scenes in episodes, I'd probably make S/D graphics if I was so inspired. And yet, I don't consider myself a Sam/Dean shipper. I don't talk about it to the degree I talk about D/C(as I'm sure my flist has noticed). On the opposite side of the coin, I'll read Dean/Cas, I'll comment on Dean/Cas scenes, I'll do Dean/Cas graphics. I consider myself a Dean/Cas shipper. Ditto with Sam/Cas. I do the same actions for all three pairings, and yet I don't actively consider myself a Sam/Dean shipper. Is that because I don't hang out with other S/D shippers? Is it because of the stereotypes and stigma attached with shipping S/D that I don't want to fit into? Is it because I've never(so far) felt the urge to make S/D graphics? Of course, there are other minor (slash and het) pairings that I'll read the fics for and comment on scenes in SPN, yet some I do say I ship (Dean/Lisa, Cas/Meg, Michael/Lucifer), and others I don't (Sam/Gabriel most notably).

I considered that it's just because I like Dean/Cas more than Sam/Dean, which, yeah, okay, fits, but on a scale, I ship Sam/Cas less than Sam/Dean, so if it's for that reason, why do I consider myself a Sam/Cas shipper? Is it just because Sassy is so cracky, where S/D is comparatively serious?

I've had similar issues with het shipping, though I haven't really thought about it since then. In Stargate, I enjoyed reading Daniel/Janet fics and Daniel/Janet scenes, and yet I've never really considered myself a Daniel/Janet shipper. In Doctor Who, I'll read and maybe even one day write Amy/Rory fic and I enjoy their scenes a lot, and yet I don't classify myself as a proper Amy/Rory shipper.

I don't know why that happens. I don't think it's shame, because I've never been afraid to cop to shipping unpopular/controversial pairings(hello, SGA!), and in SPN, there really isn't any shame to be found anywhere. In fact, I'm known for shipping any two things that breathe (and even things that don't *coughDean/Impalacough*), which also takes out the possibility that I only ship "canony" things. I can't tell if it's a combination of intensity of emotions + ~special circumstances, or what. Maybe I'm just confusing. XD

SO. The point of all that was to maybe try and make some sense of it. But I'm curious about you guys. Are there pairings you ship but don't actually consider yourself as a shipper? Or am I all alone out here?

ETA: Just to make a point(not sure what point it is, though), I find myself currently reading a fic that has past tumbleweed!Sam/agave plant!Jo resulting in mpreg, and to top it off, it's NOT crack. wat.

[personal profile] pat_san 2012-03-22 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmmh, I don't know, but I consider a shipper someone who "enjoys any kind of relationship" between two (or more) character, but always with a twist of romance. In Supernatural I'm not at all a shipper, since I like, say, Sam/Dean but I don't see anything remotely romantic in it, let alone sexual. In Dark Angel on the other hand, I am a die hard Max/Alec shipper since to me their relationship is so potentially romantic/sexual. Insted I'm not a Logan/Max shipper even though they're the canon couple.

I believe the personal liking and the precence of romance in our view are always the fact that make you a shipper or not.
Does it make sense to you?

[identity profile] ohmiya-sg.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Dean/Impala is canon, hdu.



Have you seen those Dean/human!Impala gifs with Ian Somerhalder as the Impala? sdkjhgsdkghsg As much as I like female!Impala, I must admit I drooled over that. 8D

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Omgomgomg linklinklink pleaz

[identity profile] lunasky3.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Eeeeeee calling himself Baby gives me feels.... o.O

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[identity profile] ohmiya-sg.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
The way they like to dress him in black on TVD just makes it perfect. 8D

[identity profile] ohmiya-sg.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ian's a douche (IMO), so I only like him as characters; even then, Damon is getting annoying and stale. His attitude works for Baby. But yeah, totally would be a woman, which I am perfectly fine with. 8D

[identity profile] lunasky3.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Huh. I never really thought of it this way. I call myself a multishipper because I basically read everything, but when it comes down to more obscure pairings, I wouldn't say that I actively ship them? I feel that it has more to do with "couple status" than "nom hot sex" because everyone falls into the last XD

I was actually trying to figure it my definition of an OTP, because as much as I hardcore ship Dean/Cas, Sam and Dean are canon SOULMATES. Does that top an epic romance? Can I call Sam/Dean, in whatever form, a comin OTP because they will be together forever, and Dean/Cas is just a personal one? Idk.

[identity profile] lunasky3.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Goddamn meta. *shakes fist and goes back to the pr0nz*. Life is so much simpler without thinking :D. Though it is fun. Just not this late at night... XD

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Lol, I was debating- respond to this post, or go to sleep?

Guess which won? XD

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[identity profile] pickedoffthird.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't think there is any one answer to this question, though it's an interesting one. Like you might like Sam/Dean fic for the writing or something, but you just don't feel that attachment to the pairing that you do to Dean/Castiel or Sam/Castiel. And why you (not just you personally) get attached to certain pairings but not others... I think it's all about the feels, man. I think sometimes people get so het up about defending their pairings that they don't realize that we're human and we're gonna feel different things and that's okay.

I'm pretty fic-monogamous in SPN, too (lol?), maybe because I got into it soooo late and there's so much D/C to read that I haven't felt the need to seek out pairings I really don't ship. But with baseball fandom, I'll kinda read every fic there is, even about players I really don't like. Maybe because it's so small (and there's one really good author whose favorite players and kinks are... let's just say not mine, but I've read all her stuff anyway and I really appreciated it).

[identity profile] pickedoffthird.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly! I don't think you can watch SPN without getting bro feels in SOME way.

Ooh thanks for the heads-up on spnnewsletter. I never know where to start looking, so it's been kinda hard to find places for general fic (and I don't mean necessarily gen!fic by that). There is just SO MUCH of EVERYTHING though, haha.

[identity profile] ohmiya-sg.livejournal.com 2012-03-22 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
I ship everything, provided certain characters aren't involved. Lucifer's the only bad guy I'll ship with anyone, and it's usually in a lulzy, sassy way, tbh. Anyone in the generation before Sam and Dean are out, too. No Gabriel, as much as I love Richard. For RPF, there's not a lot out there that isn't J2, and I live for other permutations of J2M. I ship everyone/everyone in a friendly way because I just love this cast.♥

I actually haven't been reading much fic at all lately. :O I might have overdone it... :x

[identity profile] morganlucas41.livejournal.com 2012-03-23 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
I just saw your other post, so you might not get this comment for a while, but I really love talking about ships so I couldn't resist :)

This is a REALLY interesting question, and one I often think about. Why do I ship what I ship? Honestly, I have no idea. I do know that I tend more towards canon pairings or those with heavy subtext.

In SPN, I'm in almost the same boat as you. Dean/Cas is my main ship, but I really don't have a problem with Sam/Dean, either. But like you, I wouldn't say that I ship Sam/Dean. For me, if I ship something, that primarily means I read a lot of fic...occasionally I make vids, and even more rarely I write fic, but yeah. Oh, and meta, I do that all over the place. So I definitely read way more Dean/Cas fic than I do Sam/Dean. When I first started reading SPN fic it was about 50/50, but that balance has definitely shifted. I'm not entirely sure what it is. I do tend to sort of be an OTP shipper, though when there's multiple strong canonical relationships (not necessarily romantic) for the same people, I do multi-ship. I dunno. It's hard to explain, lol.

So it's not necessarily that I don't think you can ship both Dean/Cas and Dean/Sam...it's just that I ship Dean/Cas more. And find myself caring less and less about Sam/Dean romantically, though I suppose I'm as invested as ever in their platonic relationship (but as a general rule, I hardly ever read gen).

In my other fandoms, I range from shipping the show's main canon couple as my OTP, to shipping more obscure, but usually still canonical, pairings. When I do slash, like I said before, it's usually based on a lot of subtext. My bottom line when it comes to shipping, though, is characterization. I need to be sold on why these characters, as they exist in canon, would be together. Now, occasionally I'll read rare pairs and think huh, never thought of that. But I'm rarely ever invested enough in them to ship them.

Yeah, I wasn't kidding about having a lot of thoughts about this...lol!

[identity profile] morganlucas41.livejournal.com 2012-03-28 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
Dean/Cas taking over fandom - I've noticed that, too. I feel like it's partly because D/C is new and shiny, and it seems like it would be hard to sustain a ship (S/D) over 7 seasons...without it waning some.

"Platonic shipping" - that's so interesting. I've never seen that term before but it really fits Sam and Dean's relationship, doesn't it? Loving the brotherly relationship between them but not needing it to be slashy. But...well, I guess I don't quite see the distinction between that and just gen fic. I don't hate gen or anything, but I generally need a pairing in order to be really interested in a fic. Like, 9 times out of 10 I'll click on a fic that's labeled with a pairing, and not a gen one. But this idea of "platonic shipping" is interesting to me.

Personally I'm not picky between slash, het, or femslash...like I said, it's all about the characters. But I will admit I'm mostly interested in ships being in my fic. If I want to say/read gen things, there's meta. Not that there's not interesting things to say in non-romantic relationships...but for example, as much as I adore Sam and Dean's platonic dynamic, I'm just not as compelled to read fic about it. I think their relationship is the kind that could have sex/romance added to it, or not, because it's already so strong on its own. But I just don't really feel all that compelled to read about it.

Late or not, I'm glad you replied! I totally understand :) I love discussing this stuff!