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a girl who knew how to be happy even when sad ([personal profile] majorshipper) wrote2010-04-09 09:57 am

Morgana & Igraine, Season Three


*SEASON 3 SPOILERS FOR MERLIN* 
I SAY AGAIN! DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SPOILER-ISH PIC AND SPECULATION! (With full S2 spoilers as well)
Okay now that that's outta the way, and you assumedly clicked on the cut, let's begin. This was kinda discussed on [livejournal.com profile] camelot_love when the on-location pictures were first released, but never to any kind of detail (at least not while I was there). But this fascinates me to no end. Really. Check out the pictures. The first one is from season two (credit for picture goes to Merlin Wiki), the woman being Igraine, Arthur's deceased mother, who was 'conjured' by Morgause. It's unknown if she's actually his mother or not, but judging by what she said, it is possible. The second picture (credit for posting goes to [livejournal.com profile] yavannauk), is of Katie McGrath from on-location in Pierrefonds, France. Notice anything similar? They're obviously wearing the SAME dress! If you recall, last season (S2), Morgana disappeared with Morgause after being poisoned by Merlin. Obviously she survived, and has returned to Camelot. Now, the biggest question is...why is she wearing Ygraine's dress? Is it a huge plot point or just a lack of costumes? Has Morgause sent her back in Ygraine's dress for a reason? How long will it take Merlin and Arthur to notice? (Surely they're not that stupid to not notice, right?) Anyway. Anyone want to start speculating on the matter?


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Re: I have a theory or two or three...

[identity profile] sophielou21.livejournal.com 2010-05-27 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
To be honest I really wish the writers had made Morgana/Morgause full sisters because then I think a cousin connection to Arthur would have been more... satisfying. Plus, again, it's cleaner because then you'd only have to create one mpre parent. But they are half siblings and, granted, that makes the storytelling more dramatic but the first question that comes to everyone's head is "which parents DO THEY NOT share?" as well as the question "which parent DO THEY share?"

Like I said I have three theories about the truth about Morgause; one based on Gorlois being the parent she shares with Morgana, one based on the mother being shared, and one that doesn't really matter either way.

Plus it would have been more dramatic to keep us wondering who Morgause was to Morgana in 2x08 and maybe reveal finally in 2x12, but they didn't - they revealed it more or less straight away and launched the storyline with Uther being involved (or rather kept out of) Morgause's birth. I want to know why people told him the child had died.

I have to say I like your Morgause-Igraine theory at lot more than the cousin theory. I just think that the writers should do something good with the 'half' side of things but do it without creating too many characters or focusing too much on the parents of the parents. I mean I think I could totally see, say, Morgana's mother being Igraine's sister or something but it doesn't really explain why that fact would be kept from Arthur or Morgana... surely Gorlois would have made it known, magic or not.
Edited 2010-05-27 15:33 (UTC)

Re: I have a theory or two or three...

[identity profile] sophielou21.livejournal.com 2010-05-27 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish they'd kept it a mystery too. It was strange that they chose to reveal it in the same episode that Arthur was trying to find out more about his mother. I didn't feel it was rushed as much as I thought it was thrown in with little care. It was like the Morgana/Morgause connection wasn't as important as what it would lead to or something...

Pity, but as you rightly say they can't change history now.

I agree it would be much better if they worked existing characters into the plots rather than inventing them and pulling names out of hats. They have to bear in mind that not everyone at home is in the fandom - ordinary people have to remember these names!

Re: I have a theory or two or three...

[identity profile] sophielou21.livejournal.com 2010-05-27 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
True. That said they clearly had something planned with the whole "Arthur-Uther-Igraine-Morgana-Morgause" arch that was going to come into play in S3. I can understand why they would want the Morga.2 reveal to come in S2, I just wonder why they dished it out so quickly.

Slightly OT but another thing I want to find out more about is that bracelet. On the one hand it seems to be significant to Morgause (As having been her mother's) suggesting that Morgana might have the same mother. Yet on the other hand the bracelet was for the women of Gorlois family. Granted Gorlois could have given the bracelet to his wife, and she gave it to Morgause, but Gaius said that "There is only one person, other than Morgana, who would have cause to wear such a bracelet" suggesting strongly that Morgause has an ACTUAL right to wear a bracelet of Gorlois family, thus him being her father. Gorlois could still have given the bracelet of his family to Morgause's mother, but that mother wouldn't be the same person as Morgana's mother.

Re: I have a theory or two or three...

[identity profile] sophielou21.livejournal.com 2010-05-27 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I just figured that the bracelet was important because Morgause said it was given to her by her mother but it bears the symbol of Gorlois's house, something which Gaius suggested that only Morgana or Morgause would wear (i.e. because they are both Gorlois's daughters). It explains why the bracelet would mean something to both women (It was from their father's family) but not why Morgause's mother had it.